enough. this is one of those reformers. senator john udall. and the executive director of the democratic national committee. thank you both for being here. >> thank you, great to be here with you, chris. you started covering this very early. >> senator, you just sat down and i said this morning before this interview i looked at the notes that i transcribed from the interview i did in your office on 2011 on precisely this issue which was the last time it was with you and senator merkley proposing changes to the filibuster and you got a little bit of attention. and it ultimately, nothing happened. two years later, you're in a much better position so i guess my first question is, where are we on the right now? it's been very difficult as a reporter to kind of gain where this is. this is very inside baseball. where are things from your standpoint? >> well, the first thing that's tremendously important is we need to change the way we do business in the senate. everybody knows that the senate is broken. that it's not operating the way it should and you just laid out all of the figures and stat
